Roland V-Drums?

[mslinn]

I just got a Roland TD-07 drum sound module. It seems like KnobKraft should be able to interoperate with it. Looking at the README, it seems I need a starting point. What might that be?

Also, I wonder if there is any correlation between Pro Tools .middev and .midnam files and KnobKraft.

[christofmuc]

Roland has a standardized MIDI format, and KnobKraft has a standard Roland module.

That doesn't mean it can't be intimidating to understand the format...

First thing, we can find the TD-07 MIDI implementation document here: https://www.roland.com/de/support/by_product/td-07kv/owners_manuals/77ff2b46-7cf2-4fd7-bbcd-c17175865ab5/

What we need is the parameter map.

As an example, this is how the KnobKraft support for the JV-80 synth looks like in the adaptation:

# JV-80. The JV-880/JV-90/JV-1000 share the model ID of the JV-80, but have one respectively two bytes more size than the JV-80. How do I handle that?
_jv80_patch_data = [DataBlock((0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00), 0x22, "Patch common"),
                    DataBlock((0x00, 0x00, 0x08, 0x00), 0x73, "Patch tone 1"), 
                    DataBlock((0x00, 0x00, 0x09, 0x00), 0x73, "Patch tone 2"), 
                    DataBlock((0x00, 0x00, 0x0A, 0x00), 0x73, "Patch tone 3"), 
                    DataBlock((0x00, 0x00, 0x0B, 0x00), 0x73, "Patch tone 4")] 
_jv80_edit_buffer_addresses = RolandData("JV-80 Temporary Patch"
                                         , num_items=1
                                         , num_address_bytes=4
                                         , num_size_bytes=4
                                         , base_address=(0x00, 0x08, 0x20, 0x00)
                                         , blocks=_jv80_patch_data)
_jv80_program_buffer_addresses = RolandData("JV-80 Internal Patch"
                                            , num_items=0x40
                                            , num_address_bytes=4
                                            , num_size_bytes=4
                                            , base_address=(0x01, 0x40, 0x20, 0x00)
                                            , blocks=_jv80_patch_data)
_jv80_system_common = RolandData("JV-80 System Common", 1, 4, 4, (0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00),
                                 [DataBlock((0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00), 0x21, "System common")])
jv_80 = GenericRoland("Roland JV-80",
                      model_id=[0x46],
                      address_size=4,
                      edit_buffer=_jv80_edit_buffer_addresses,
                      program_dump=_jv80_program_buffer_addresses,
                      device_detect_message=_jv80_system_common)

jv_80.install(this_module)

So we can see we need to find out a variety of parameters for the TD-07: The number of messages for one patch (kit?), the size of each message and it's base address. Then there will be locations inside the memory of the synth where the edit buffer (temporary patch) is stored, and where the program buffers are. Those are configured, and then everything is put together with a device detedct message (where we use the system configuration in this case) into a paramterization of the GenericRoland module.

If I look at the MIDI document, the the "Kits" (programs) are stored at 03 00 00 00, 03 02 00 00, etc., the setup at 01 00 00 00. (page 5). Each Kit though is split into a lot of messages where the JV-80 had only 5 messages: A kit has a common message, a MIDI message, 15 unit common etc. . So that's a bit more table data than for the JV-80, but the principle is the same.

The size of the messages can be found for each message in the pages after page 5, for example a Kit common message has size 1B hex (page 8). We don't need to bother with the content of the messages which are described in detail in the document, we just need the size. So the Kit Unit Common message has the size 19 hex (page 33) and so on.

I think everything is there for giving it a try.

[christofmuc]

Also, I wonder if there is any correlation between Pro Tools .middev and .midnam files and KnobKraft.

That's a very good question, and deserves its own issue to disucuss!

[christofmuc]

Here is first shot of an adaptation for the TD-07. There will be two problems we need to fix - it has 48 messages per Kit (!), which might throw off our code as normal is about 10, and it might slow things down. And then we need to look at the weird distance between the kit addreses.

Can you get a MIDI file with some real data from the TD-07? It would make it possible to test the adaptation without running the Orm.

Roland_TD-07.zip

[christofmuc]

On another note. I made a quick branch that contains a function that can write a midnam file of the current bank. There are many variables and options however, so it would be great to get an idea of what we could try first to see if it works.

I don't use ProTools personally, so if you have an idea which synth to test I could make a midnam file and we could try it on your machine.

[christofmuc]

@mslinn That was a useful link! I actually made a mistake and did not update the family ID, will make a new version of the TD-07 module!

[christofmuc]

Alpha version with updated family ID and model ID part of release 2.5.0

[mslinn]

I updated KnobKraft (Windows 10) and downloaded Roland_TD-07.py into %systemdrive%%homepath%\KnobKraft-Adaptations. My laptop was directly connected to the TD-07 without a USB hub. How should I debug this connectivity problem?

[christofmuc]

Can you show the MIDI log? its the tab next to Setup.