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name:de is not necessary in Germany #9

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Nakaner opened this issue Jul 6, 2015 · 5 comments
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name:de is not necessary in Germany #9

Nakaner opened this issue Jul 6, 2015 · 5 comments

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@Nakaner
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Nakaner commented Jul 6, 2015

Your bot account added name:de=Duale Hochschule Baden-Württemberg to way 160238657 in changeset 32417005. This tag is not necessary because it is equal to name=*. Only name:en=* is useful in this case because it differs from the German name. I ask you to revert similar changes of your bot which have been uploaded in the last days/weeks to OSM.

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metaodi commented Jul 6, 2015

@Nakaner the missions you mention are based on the "unknown language" findings of KeepRight. The reason to have the name:xx tags is to determine the language of the name=* entry (see the user guide for details).

So your example is as follows:

name=Duale Hochschule Baden-Württemberg
name:en=Baden-Württemberg Cooperative State University

Without an additional entry name:de=Duale Hochschule Baden-Württemberg a computer can not decide what language the main name=* entry is. This is the reason why this bot creates these entries.

This tag is only added if there is an ambigouty, i.e. if there is another name:xx=* tag, that makes it impossible to determine the language of the name=* tag.

@Nakaner
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Nakaner commented Jul 6, 2015

If I follow your arguments, we should tag every object in Germany which has both a name=* and name:xx=*. But this is not the consensus the (German) OSM community has. That's why I ask you to disable this task or not add name:de=* where German is the main language. That can be derived from country borders. See also a recent discussion at Talk mailing list.

@jojo4u
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jojo4u commented Jul 7, 2015

I can follow Keepright/kort here. If there is only name= there is no choice. But if there is name=+name:= there is choice and one should know which languages are there to choose from. OSM is international, national rules should be avoided.

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metaodi commented Jul 7, 2015

@jojo4u @Nakaner I don't want to discuss such matters here. It's very clear, that if there is an reasonable objection of a part of the community, I will comply. I think this is the case here.

I'm also happy to remove this special case again if there is consensus in the community at large.
OSM always had and probably always will have different rules in different parts of the world.

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jojo4u commented Jul 9, 2015

Displaying it as a low-level problem is ok, users can disable this check. But correcting by bot is one step higher. So yes, perhaps it's best to disable this routine in your bot.

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