Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Part 1: 5th August, Part 2: 19th August 2023 @ 15:00 UTC

[plowsof]

Location: Libera.chat, #monero-community | Matrix

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Time
15:00 UTC Check your timezone

Moderator: plowsof

Please reach out in advance of the meeting if you would like to propose an agenda item.

Proposed Meeting Items:

1. Introduction

2. Greetings

3. Community highlights
   News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - The Monero Standard - Monero Moon

   • Haveno: woodser "I'm pushing for a new release today or tomorrow. we'll see how stable and ready that is. then some final work needs to be done for mainnet readiness, then the code should be more or less ready" v0.0.8 release
   • PiNodeXMR update "We're still here"
   • AcceptXMR new highly recommended update after spirobel and boog discretely reported bugs - BusyBoredom
   • Anonero DIY hardware wallet solution for monero monero.town post Animated QR file transfer video
   • "Monero is the only reliable trickle of many small crypto donations." - GrapheneOS reddit thread - tweet - TheFuzzZone
   • bitrequest.io supports Monero payment requests reddit thread - they also shared a tip for accepting donations - create a payment request for 0 and share the address
   • Basicswap dex now bi-directional xmr<->btc reddit post

4. CCS updates
   a. recanman bitejo rewrite and expansion proposal discuss changes
   g. recanman to take over Monero integrations pt. 3
   h. Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs
   i. selsta part-time monero development (3 months)
   j. Boog900 full time work on Cuprate, the Rust Monero node (2 months)

5. Workgroup reports
   a. Dev workgroup
   b. Localization workgroup
   c. Outreach workgroup
   d. Events workgroup - MoneroKon 2023
   e. Website workgroup
   f. Policy workgroup
   g. Research workgroup
   h. Seraphis Migration workgroup

6. Open ideas time

7. Confirm next meeting date/time

Previous meeting including logs

Meeting logs will be posted here afterwards.

[plowsof]

Part 2: Saturday 19th August 2023

Previous meeting had no active IRC bridge. DataHoarder has since provided a working bridge in all Monero rooms. DH also created/maintains https://p2pool.observer/ which people can donate to (please request any missing rooms not bridged). Monerobull maintains the discord bridge, they also run https://moneromerch.com/)

Time
15:00 UTC Check your timezone

Moderator: plowsof

Please reach out in advance of the meeting if you would like to propose an agenda item.

Proposed Meeting Items:

1. Introduction
2. Greetings
3. Community highlights
   Active News: - Revuo Monero - The Monero Standard
   Inactive: Monero Observer - Monero Moon
4. CCS updates
   c. recanman to take over Monero integrations pt. 3 bitejo proposal temporarily closed confirming priority of this task + SerHacks approval
   d. Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs merge
   f. Boog900 full time work on Cuprate, the Rust Monero node (2 months) merge
   g. Kastelo update request ([email protected] access) / Deprecating [email protected] #879
5. Workgroup reports
   a. Dev workgroup
   b. Localization workgroup
   c. Outreach workgroup
   d. Events workgroup - MoneroKon 2023
   e. Website workgroup
   f. Policy workgroup
   g. Research workgroup
   h. Seraphis Migration workgroup
6. Open ideas time
7. Confirm next meeting date/time

Previous meeting including logs

Meeting logs will be posted here afterwards.

[plowsof]

15:00:07 <plowsof> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/871#issuecomment-1676793245
15:00:29 <plowsof> greetings! we have a functional bridge today thanks to DataHoarder 
15:02:35 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> any recent community highlights to discuss while we wait for others to drop in?
15:02:56 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> hello
15:02:59 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> CypherStack have given feedback on the latest BP++ paper which MRL have to discuss (so things finally moving in the correct direction there). We also have a more detailed scope of work to be done for the Seraphis papers which Jbreman/Koe/Kayabanerve helped create, if MRL are happy with that then i can start reaching out again for quotes.
15:03:18 <m-relay> <d​adajo:monero.social> hi
15:03:21 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> kycnot.me 3rd anniversary update https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/15mja0k/kycnotme_3rd_anniversary_update/. the transparency point is interesting. Now all discussions are in public on GitLab... so i can't email pluja to tell them https://beta.kycnot.me/ seems offline, have to make an issue xD
15:04:38 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> hello
15:05:19 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Cake web pay is back online (however the selection seems very limited / no country specific things and the virtual mastercard offer looks to be US only)
15:05:25 <m-relay> <s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> hi
15:09:14 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Any other highlights 🤔 Active News: - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard)
15:11:13 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> we can jump into the 3 issues to discuss if everyone here is ok with that
15:11:46 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> oh, a 5 months payout delay for the debian maintainer , oops, should be fixed next week, srry
15:12:12 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> now then 😓
15:12:25 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> c. [recanman to take over Monero integrations pt. 3](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402) bitejo proposal temporarily closed confirming priority of this task + SerHacks approval
15:13:49 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> recanman said he couldnt make it to todays meeting. The previous meeting resulted in him needing to clarify that monero-php will be his priority by temporarily closing one of them. he has since closed the bitejo one and already made some pull requests
15:14:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the merge request text is here : https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402/diffs
15:15:11 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 5 months to show reasonable progress or he gets booted / we find someone else. SerHack has to approve/merge things for it to be considered completed.. no extra funds required to be raised, simply handed over to recanman if the community approves it
15:16:08 <m-relay> <d​adajo:monero.social> will the funds be handed over after 5months or right away?
15:16:35 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> only upon milestones completed
15:17:13 <m-relay> <d​adajo:monero.social> did he set own milestones or will just do the previous ones? (sorry if I'm not up 2 date)
15:17:25 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> here are some pull requests he has made already https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerophp/pulls (so i doubt the '5 months to actually do something' will be needed)
15:17:26 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> previous ones
15:17:52 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the original proposer serhack has gave permission to hand it over. and .e.g. this pull request has already been approved https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerophp/pull/142 so recanman is capable of completing this task for us
15:21:05 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> just need people to vote merge or not
15:24:22 <m-relay> <s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> no idea how much my vote is worth, because I'm a noob, but I'd say merge
15:25:11 <m-relay> <d​adajo:monero.social> same here :) if I can vote I would say merge as well
15:25:16 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i have a COI because this will resolve a proposal in "purgatory" and make it look like ive done something good
15:26:02 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Merging sounds like a good idea to me :)
15:26:23 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Maybe this is an "alignment" of interests, not a conflict ;)
15:26:32 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> but its a merge from me if that counts 😄
15:26:37 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> seems like there is not much demand
15:26:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero-php is used by monero wordpress / serhack stated on twitter recently about a surge in support emails
15:26:43 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> *from the ccs side of things
15:26:52 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i like that way of putting this
15:27:04 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> im impartial as always though
15:27:18 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok lets put it as merge and move on
15:27:35 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> d. [Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403)    merge
15:27:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> seems the community expressed an interest in merging this already
15:28:55 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> didnt see anyone complain in the MRL meeting when Rucknium brought this(and Boogs) up / only see support in the comments
15:29:36 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> shall we leave it as being handled / waiting to be merged and move on?
15:29:58 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> pending kayabanerve / rates (i notice alot of $ amounts used)
15:31:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> f. [Boog900 full time work on Cuprate, the Rust Monero node (2 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/405)    merge
15:31:41 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> if no one has complains I'd say merge
15:32:29 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> great
15:32:51 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Boog has clarified that its not "2 months" and jeffro256 has even offered support
15:33:10 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i would say that proposal has had all loose ends tied now / waiting for merge
15:33:40 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> (ofrnxmr and geonic are not banned from here BTW)
15:33:54 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> shall we move on?
15:38:32 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> the funding math is wrong :D
15:38:37 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> for Boog?
15:38:41 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> 45$ * 50hr/week * 8 weeks = $18,000
15:38:46 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> 18,000 / 161 is 111 not  120
15:39:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 2 months is a little more than 8 weeks but yeah
15:40:44 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> yeah just being pedantic
15:40:47 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> boog900: should be able to figure it out, not the end of the world. my calendar has 90 days in 1 month
15:41:46 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets move on as "merge as is"
15:42:16 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge boog/kayaba/recanman - delete everything else - i want an empty ideas page on monday
15:42:26 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> luigi1111 pls
15:42:51 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> moving on
15:42:56 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> good luck to boog - thats a lot to do in 2 months
15:42:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> g. [Kastelo update request (+hardware⊙go access)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/issues/69) / https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/879
15:43:16 <msvb-lab> Kastelo enclosures were distributed at Defcon.
15:43:28 <msvb-lab> They ran out in the second day, similar to what happened at Konferenco.
15:43:55 <msvb-lab> We received requests for more over emails, as well as other requests relating to the testing program.
15:43:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> there was also a more detailed comment on reddit (which contained an update) can't find it atm
15:44:12 <msvb-lab> No development has occured this month.
15:44:26 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> for clarification "distributed" means given away for free, right?
15:44:45 <msvb-lab> Yes, they were free of charge for the people receiving them.
15:44:59 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> 👍
15:44:59 <msvb-lab> There was a similar (but unpublished) event in Paris last month as well.
15:45:24 <msvb-lab> Some of this was already published on the hardware channels, remember to read #monero-hardware if you are particularly interested.
15:45:28 <msvb-lab> Are there any questions about Kastelo or related Monero Hardware projects?
15:45:49 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> What is the latest update on the electronics hardware/firmware? Where is the progress published?
15:46:35 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> I'm completely out of the loop about that, because it started before I was active in the community
15:47:09 <msvb-lab> There is no progress on electronics, unless those who are adding features want to give a report.
15:47:09 <msvb-lab> The current state of electronic design (schematic and layout) is the same as the official release as the project concluded.
15:47:46 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> are you confident that you will be able to complete any of the milestones in the FFS?
15:47:57 <msvb-lab> All the original design parts are available (after they became temporarily unavailable due to Suez, Pandemic, and supply chain collapses) so there is no reason to modify the bill of materials.
15:48:30 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> if not already?
15:48:49 <msvb-lab> If you mean RFC-HWALLET-3, then the question is misguided because it concluded with all (100%) requirements met. If you mean RFC-HWALLET-5 then about 50-75% have been met and confidence is high of the remaining yes.
15:49:53 <msvb-lab> ctrej: A lot of progress for RFC-HWALLET-5 was lost in database crashes, so we're not using the official system for any work. Instead, it's on site at events mostly, with some email, IRC, and other RTC communication.
15:50:36 <msvb-lab> A lot of work has been reassigned from control by the Monero community to non Monero contractors (over 90% community has abandoned their work) so there is probably a lot of reporting in non Monero channels as well.
15:51:34 <msvb-lab> Some other Monero related hardware projects were showcased at Konferenco, but I think their authors are not here to give status or progress reports.
15:51:55 <msvb-lab> For example, we saw a very primitive ATM in the sponsor hall (Studio 2.)
15:52:24 <msvb-lab> We had other ATMs there as well, very refined and in distribution. But they don't support any Monero blockchain so are not relevant for this agenda item.
15:52:41 <msvb-lab> That's all for Monero hardware, dankon and we can move one plowsof.
15:52:56 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> XMR ATM  for those who are interested, the entire thing is open source
15:52:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> from Digilol yes. thank you the the update on Kastelos progress.
15:53:31 <msvb-lab> Ne dankinde (you're welcome.)
15:54:07 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> now moving on to the "deprecate hardware⊙go" email issue , have you followed any of the concerns or want to respond msvb-lab?
15:54:44 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i personally would like it to be deprecated asap, and also question why you have a personal getmonero account , reserved only for members of core / high status
15:55:17 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> I just gave a Monero Hardware and Kastelo report using IRC. If you missed it due to technology flaws in bridging, please get an IRC log for #monero-community.
15:55:29 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> michael⊙go  belongs to you correct?
15:55:49 <msvb-lab> Yes, that's an email address that I use. Since about four or five years.
15:57:10 <msvb-lab> I don't have any information about deprecating email addresses, so there is no information from me.
15:57:10 <msvb-lab> Is there a proposal to deprecate all (email, IRC, matrix, Mattermost, mailing list...) our channels or only the one email address?
15:57:35 <msvb-lab> And what does deprecate mean, if the proposal succeeds will there be any damage or destruction to our communication systems?
15:57:53 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/879
15:57:58 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> simply disable the email address
15:58:24 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> or have some transparency (which we have none at the moment)
15:58:27 <msvb-lab> I can't defend the email address from disablement, damage, or destruction. But I can defend all the other communication methods from being disabled.
15:58:38 <msvb-lab> Because I'm not the administrator for the email in question.
15:58:48 <msvb-lab> I just answer it, on a weekly basis.
16:01:24 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> people can look into the email issue if they wish in their free time (events also) - we have reached the hour , thank you all for attending
16:01:31 <msvb-lab> All the email fraud is happening on the mailing list (monero-hardware⊙lgo rather than hardware⊙go) so it seems a bit absurd to try to destroy the one that is clean and productive. Not sure what advantage we are seeking here.
16:01:43 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> events meeting is in 1 hour
16:01:45 <msvb-lab> Okay plowsof, dankon everyone for a good meeting.
16:02:33 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> plowsof: What is the next step with Cypherstack and the BP++ revieww?
16:05:26 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the feedback we have (detailing out of scope things) - if MRL are ok with all those things not being in the audit - and if the original scope of work / agreement written for the other paper still applies now - return to cypherstack to see if the cost of the work has changed - return to MRL - then move forward
16:06:22 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> does that sound good?
16:08:21 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Yes. I guess we'll have to wait for the cryptographers to return to MRL meetings for that first step.
16:09:32 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> koe, kayaba, and/or tevador
16:10:40 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> tevador was/is active in #monero-pow:monero.social recently
16:11:07 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i forgot to share jeffro256's idea/method for having a light wallet server with no* privacy drawbacks (just a 25% bigger address) https://gist.github.com/tevador/50160d160d24cfc6c52ae02eb3d17024?permalink_comment_id=4665372#gistcomment-4665372 (shared in the no-wallet-left-behind room)