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Melbourne Meshtastic Users, Australia #7
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Nice 😄 To answer your q from the discourse board, hood's antenna is this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004104155940.html |
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That should be fine. Mine is similar. 🙂 |
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thanks, good to know. Im really hoping the rak sorts out my tx/rx weirdness |
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I only recently got a RAK 2nd gen base board with the 4631 core. Am curious about the solar input. Anyone know if it's proper MPPT, or how efficient it is? Can it take a 6V panel? |
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I'm not sure but I know it's 5V max. 🙂 |
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RippleGuy here. :-) |
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Anyone have mast recommendations? |
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I'm currently hijacking my weather pole but will probably move it to my tv antenna pole once the rak comes... ideally id like a 3m ish telescopic mast to get it up higher though |
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Two lengths of 32mm Conduit fastened to the garden shed which is extremely bendy in the wind. But its survived what the winter could throw at it. The only other problem is the cockatoos nibbling the antenna. |
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I caved and just bought another one...😉 |
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Jaycar sells telescopic ones that are unbelievably strong and yet light. Well and truly above the power lines. But Kouk found a hack, turns out bunnings sells the exact same thing as pool cleaner/ window cleaner extensions for a quarter of the price, you just need to make your own mount and cable system to support it. Worth a look... |
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Like the telescopic pole idea as the conduit can be quite unwieldy when raising and lowering it. Did some digging online and Big W do a 9.1m flag pole, might take a bit of convincing the boss its a good idea. Where as the cleaning pole could be possible. |
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Hello everyone from USB. After a quick WTF moment on the discourse group until I worked out what was going on. |
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I too had that moment 😆 |
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Me too!!! |
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Hi all, I am interested in the best setup for a rooftop mesh node. Currently I have a 9dbi Omni on a rak 4631 on a 3m mast on the roof of a 2 story house. From the trace routes I have been doing, I have much better receive capability than I have transmit capability. I am interested in whether it is worth trying to dial down the receive sensitivity on the node to match better the transmit range so that the node doesn’t act as a one way repeater. I feel like this isn’t an isolated issue, I see people all over the mesh transmitting and getting no response even though the mesh definitely receives the packets, as proved by MQTT. |
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I too find that I receive better than transmit, but Ive also found traceroutes to be extremely finnicky. I can frequently get acks back from dms to nodes that I cant get traceroutes back from, and I dont know if it's true or not but it seems like theres some kind of rate limit for traceroute packets, with others being dropped. If I wait a period (usually hours, but thats just how it's worked out), then I'll usually get better traceroute responses. |
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Scoja |
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I was thinking here... -37.9421388298848, 145.2685796847233 |
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I've got the weekend off maybe I'll go for a recon trip I haven't been hiking there since I was a lil one |
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I own just about every module out, but as much as I love the idea of the rak, I refuse to use them. Unfortunately, they just don't seem to be able to handle Australian conditions in an enclosure... you hear the same thing over and over again. Works great for a few weeks, then dies for no apparent reason. If they fixed that, I would probably switch to them completely. |
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Hey guys! I brought a node to Melbourne with me for the first time yesterday, and was blown away to be picking up the Mt Dandenong node in Laverton - incredible! I'm wondering if a node placed on Mt Warrenheip might be able to contact Dandenong... A dream of mine is linking Ballarat area with Melbourne... Waiting on 3x Rak Wireless boards to come, meanwhile playing with a T Beam and Heltec v3. (estimated coverage for a node on Mt Warenheip) |
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Yeah I saw that Mt Warrenheip is line of sight to Mt Dandenong (Just). Looking at the map you might get a couple of the guys from Geelong too, They can also see MDR. :) Cheers! |
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Sick - I’ll look for a similar antenna and give it a crack! |
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This is the one I used... |
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righto.. this motivates me to replace HHRO temp node in the sistema container stuck to the mast with insulation tape with a proper node and my gizont antenna pictured above... And lets get this mesh rocking! |
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Hi Melbourne. I'm one of the Meshtastic developers and I'm going to be in town this month. Does anyone want to meet up in-person to chat Meshtastic? Maybe in the city? |
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Id be keen! |
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Yes! Yes! Yes! |
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Please see my post below with the pictures regarding an amplified signal in our frequency range that has blown my personal local mesh apart as well as and my secondary hardware on the main channel, I would love your input! |
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@fifieldt any idea what dates you will be here and available? |
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Hi guys, I'm in Werribee and have been experiencing some pretty unusual rf behaviour in the past 2-3 days. Within our frequency space, there is a new signal source that is absolutely blowing the 1watt limit out of the water and around 60%of all packets i receive are bad and about 35% are just dupes from my mast mounted node. I have observed this signal on the spectrum and can only assume its local as everyone else seemed to still be working normally. Prior to this i had a full node list and excellent direct trace to MDR, Ceres rooftop and Dromana. Now i can only get nodes in my home. I have 8 nodes in total (not all in use) and have tested with each and shut down every rf related device to ensure I'm not the one creating the problem with a faulty module. Nope.
I have invested heavily in the past few months into hardware to link the city and Geelong as well as create another mesh just for werribee. (City to Geelong not yet deployed) at this point in putting everything on hold, the last thing I want to do is repeat this signal mess and make it everyone else's problem too. Any ideas? |
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That's funny! |
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Great news Bangs. Look forward to the pics of the super stealthy solar nodes. Had a trip into Springvale this morning with the added advantage of not driving. I was starting to think my nodes do not working or are setup incorrectly as I did not received any new nodes. That was until I got to Nobel Park and then I managed to get the Dandenong repeater. I suspect this maybe due to no external antennas were used ? |
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Hey brothers. I'm in hospital at the moment so things are on hold very temporarily. Chat soon 😉 |
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Hope you get well soon Bangs |
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As promised, the stealth node.
All internals removed, tiny 5v solar charge management board charging the 18650 and a usb C running from the Vout to the heltec module. Under the module is also a 2000mah lipo cell attached to the heltec battery port. On the main mesh in Melbourne, the router never sleeps, and the solar isn't quite enough. But i recently put it on top of kangaroo Valley Mountain in NSW and was able to reach astounding distances with 100% reliability across nowra and the Shoalhaven. Hiding in plain sight... spot it?
With the reduction in traffic, it was able to maintain 100% charge all day and lost less than 10% overnight. To stimulate extra traffic, i set nodeinfo broadcast to the minimum interval on the router as well as the 3 devices i was running and position reporting at an excessive level. The elevation and outlook the router had...
First test location, around 15km from the mountain. Full green direct connection with snr over 10.
It's amazing what you can achieve with the right setup, a tiny amount of power generation/storage, and a cheap but very well tuned antenna when you don't have a channel swamped with garbage, even with a crappy helLONEARTHtec. |
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I did it @ScoJa71 ! I connected Melbourne to Ballarat / Creswick / Clunes / Talbot / Meredith! I had to use a node on my roof (Heltec V3, hardwired to power) a Wisblock solar node VERY high up in a tree https://meshnode.store/home/27-solar-meshtastic-node-rak-wisblock-inside.html (this exact unit) and another Wisblock solar node with an 8dbi antenna magnetically attached to Mt Buninyong! Mount B reached Mount Dandenong Router - and like that we have a link!
So cool sitting in my living room in Creswick seeing nodes in Geelong and Eastern subburbs of Melbourne - amazing. 
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That's insane!! Well done mate. What's your node ID's? |
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I had plans for the youyangs... if I go ahead with it I'll have to coordinate with you guys. |
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That's a nice hop! 126km! |
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I used your naming system - As it's a router it's "Mt Buninyong Router" with the tower emoji. Short ID is the Tower emoji - and yep it's geo tagged! |
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Nice work!! |
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Does anyone here know who owns Jolly nodes? Specifically the 20 Jolly Leopold Router/Client nodes that have recently appeared. If you do, or you know who does, could you please direct them to one of the many resources to provide support on choosing the nodes role? (https://meshtastic.org/blog/choosing-the-right-device-role/ or https://youtu.be/htjwtnjQkkE?si=RvVxD1cphoHDvo72)? 20 routers (or even just 2) will create collisions and lead to an increased hop count per message not just for you, but anyone else (like me) who is unfortunate enough to be in your immediate (0 hop) vicinity. Just as a reminder to everyone, Client mode is what you want for 99% of deployments. Client mode will still repeat other users packets, it just does so in a more intelligent way (with delays based on received signal strength). Router should only be used in very specific, highly advantageous locations (Mount Dandenong Repeater is the perfect example of this) Apologies for rant. |
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Yes very frustrating, I have one near me chewing up hops! I've tried to make contact a few times with no reply. 🤷 |
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Yeah thinking it's a whole lot more than 20 now... I can see a new node number and user ID almost hourly with the jolL shortname... |
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Yeah, it was really odd - seems to have stopped now. All up, my nodes ended up capturing 1230 'jolL' nodes, each with a unique ID (all logged to an SQL database)... Must have been some very odd configuration or modified program! |
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For anyone who saw my hello world an hour or so ago, thanks :) lovely to see a reply almost instantly. Just got my T-Echo, even with the stock antenna I was seeing all of melbourne! (had to climb on the top of the roof though, so that was fun Now I'm very excited to set up the full sized fiberglass antenna and do some range tests |
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@Bangs69 Sorry about the lack of response in mesh, my signal has been horrid. I've got POCO Roof mounted in a horrible spot.. just enough to hear nodes, not enough to send anything out :/ I've really gotta get this mounted properly on the roof, the extra 4-5 meters of height should hopefully increase the signal enough to send stuff out. I think I've got to send someone up on the roof on antenna duty properly, so I can test what the permanent install would get me |
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I know everyone says it, but the only things that matter are height and loss. If i can help with anything, just ask. But I'm not getting on your roof 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Hey Guys, |
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Hey Guys, does anyone want to make a router for Mt Dandenong for Meshtastic? I'm thinking of changing MDR over to the Meshcore system..... Cheers! |
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I might, and im in a reasonably good location to visit it occasionally too, so that works. Might take a while though, my last rak took a few weeks to come in the mail. |
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ps. i dont know a lot about meshcore but from a quick google and working in the industry i wouldnt go near it with a 12dBi antenna 😬 what about it is attractive? |
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Hey Guys, Just saw Bangs post. Yes I'm up for a freq change and private group.. Makes sense with all that shit going on! It seemed to me that meshtastic was dying a bit, also it was cool to play with something new. 😀 Maybe I keep MDR on meshtastic and build a new one for Meshcore and run both. 😉 Cheers |
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We are actually looking at meshcore too, for the same reason, efficient routing. But, i want to exhaust the capabilities of meshtastic first. |
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I'm likely to run dual config at Hamlyn heights and have core and tastic. I'm finally building all my nodes for deployment and if the bulk more elsewhere so will I. |
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Can you tell me more about your decision to switch? I’m tempted to come too and bring Buninyong over, I lost interest when I realized I’m 1 hop from my Buninyong node, which means MDR is 2 hops, meaning I can’t meaningfully chat to anyone in melbourne, even though the infra is there. 2 hop limit is great for CBD folks or a festival, but for us in the sticks who’d like to connect ourselves to the CBD mesh, its useless.
If Meshcore works better in this regard, then I’ll bring my nodes over to it
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Hey Guys, does anyone want to make a router for Mt Dandenong for Meshtastic? I'm thinking of changing MDR over to the Meshcore system.....
It would be cool to have both. 🙂
Cheers!
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So, doing 'hard development work' should be compensated? What a novel idea! |
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@garthvh , @ripplebiz , a reminder of our community code of conduct. We expect behaviour like:
It is clear that you both care deeply about your communities, but these last few posts are entering into unwelcome territory. |
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Wow..... |
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End of the day. One is completely open, free, and if properly configured, it can deliver on its promises. The other is a money making venture, regardless of the new open source version. Let's be honest... once it's stable (if ever)... I expect the free version to vanish. The fact that this discussion is even happening on github is a slap in the face to the opensource community. |
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I'm going to give Meshcore a go. You don't know until you try it. Lets see........ |
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Hey guys, I've got a bit of disappointing news, but a potential solution too. Please spread the word of this post and get it out there, everyone needs to know. As most of you know, I have been logging the spectrum and trying to figure out why our mesh is so unreliable one day and then pretty damn good the next. I've found the cause. Firstly, channel 20 is the default channel and where every new user lands, experiments, misconfigures and eventually learns. In the mean time the efficiency of the mesh suffers. That's a big issue. But it's not the main issue. Many of you will have noticed random nodes with incredible signal strength, no hops, and when you can get a traceroute, it's only one way. Mystery solved.
That massive and hugely over amplified section is ONE SIGNAL. The owner(s) of these nodes have decided to take over 0.5mhz as one channel and the very edge overlaps 919.875mhz perfectly. This is no accident. I have seen this channel extend all the way out to a full mhz and it transmits at least twice per second. Wondering where your bad packets are coming from? Can't figure out why traceroutes take the weirdest routes and only sometimes work? Sick of not getting message acks and feling like you're missing half the conversation? Now you know why. I have setup private meshes away from this mess, and every one of these issues vanish. From what I can see, there are about 5-6 of us who are not only heavily financially invested, but have taken the time to learn how a mesh should be constructed and maintained. Scoja (MDR), VKTWO, possibly GW-R and HHRO, myself and my team mate Kouk. So, my solution... We leave just enough infrastructure on ch20 to keep it at least partially working. We use this to build our circle as people mature into the system. But we stop investing in ch20. Instead, we choose a dead section of the frequency allocation (i have already identified several good candidates) and build a massive private/invite only mesh. We have a ton of equipment waiting to be deployed on the mountain and elsewhere too. We create simple rules. If you break them, you get added to the ignore list on every router. No second chances, game over. We can also use custom modem settings that will not only work better, but also prevent our routers from listening to anything without the custom settings. It might start off slow, but it will demonstrate the true potential of LoRa and bring the reliability back. I'm definitely moving forward with this myself, I refuse to deal with this mess anymore. Anyone else in? Ideas? Obviously, this ongoing conversation is going to have to go private asap too... Bangers |
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Correct. Has to have exact same frequency and modem settings to rebroadcast. I more meant, using the ignore list will only stop your nodes from rebroadcasting a packet. It won't stop someone elses misconfigured nodes from doing their thing (I'm specifically thinking about someone who thinks the node on the roof of their house at the bottom of a hill should be a router.) The router mode here will still adversly effect the of the mesh in that nodes vacinity.. Your ignore list will have no impact.
This has absolutely been my ovservation at least on the iOS app, web app and CLI. |
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Adding someone to the ignore list would make the mesh pretty useless to them and odds are, they will move on. It's just an added deterrent.
My son runs his on ios and it is a mess. The UI is much nicer but you just can't setup a node the same way as you can on Android. I ended up reflashing it, setting it up on Android and then connected it to his ipad. Huge improvement.
This is one of them. Stays in this state permanently. Only a fraction of their total transmission bandwidth overlaps our frequency. Enough to see them and get the odd 1 way traceroute, but that's it. |
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Yep, I had similar with an early T-Lora (the V1.3 back when it was still supported)... the oscillator on those boards is crap, so frequency is a fraction off centre. The old LongFast modem settings had a much narrower bandwidth, so it would transmit but not receive. |
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This is deliberate. There are about 8 nodes just like it following the same naming system. All doing the exact same thing. |
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Yeah their has been a degradation in meshtasic performance over the past few months around HHRO, so I'm happy to leave something on LF20 and then setup similar to NZ on a different channel and MF or SF or whatever is decided. And a meshcore and probably reticulum too.. |
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I reckon do both Scoja, Meshtastic still has plenty of people finding it a buying a board, and MDR is truly the backbone, losing it would be a real shame. I’m happy to donate a solar panel / battery if you have a rak / t114 to whacking it?That being said, I’m thinking it might be cool to try mesh core.How would it’s routing algo help those of use in regional vic with a link? (But realistically needing 5-6 hops)Sent from my iPhoneOn 2 Feb 2025, at 16:35, ScoJa ***@***.***> wrote:
LOL, now I don't know what to do :)
Maybe I switch MDR over to Meshcore for a while so we can all test it out. (It seems to really help linking us all together and it would give us a good feel for it. We can always build another repeater and put it up there and run both. I'm very tempted......
I've been playing with it on a RAK board here at home and it's looking good.
It's just a real bitch to get to MDR and set it up. (ladders and shit. I put Hi-vis on to look official :) LOL
Thoughts??
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As in MT or MeshCore for Dandenongs? Well, I'm a tad biased... :-) |
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Ah, if the question is can MeshCore help regional Vic, like any mesh just depends on whether there are enough intermediary repeaters at good, elevated spots. If there are some 'big jumps' needed, me and a buddy are working on a 'backbone' repeater for MeshCore. I think these could become very handy for bridging difficult to reach areas. |
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me and a buddy are working on a 'backbone' repeater for MeshCore. I think these could become very handy for bridging difficult to reach areas. That sounds interesting! |
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Given were talking about competing protocols, it might be better to discuss this somewhere other than the official meshtasic git forum. Let's start at maybe the unofficial Facebook group Meshtasic Victoria and then work out what we all want to do in the area. |
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I dont use facebook, literally anywhere else please 🙏 |
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Yeah I'm not a Facebook lover either, but the Mesh Vic group has quite a
few members and it would be a good discussion place to get them to switch
too.. alternatively I just created subreddit r/VicMeshas a neutral mesh
protocols related discussions space
https://www.reddit.com/r/VicMesh/s/ppuFrLkiQg
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I dont use facebook, literally anywhere else please 🙏
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Not to step on any toes, but if you (like me) hate Discord / Facebook / Reddit (to a lesser extent) for hiding information behind a closed door - you’re welcome to come make an account on the BBS I just spun up for us!
(Literally minutes old, bear with me as I configure it and fire up SSL - but feel free to make an account and start some topics.)
http://vicmesh.dingus.com.au <http://vicmesh.dingus.com.au/>
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Same, however I'm not sure a thread about Melbourne, Australia is the best place for it?
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Just a quick update.... Cheers |
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Seems like a lot that went over are suddenly back on Meshtastic. What happened? |
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2.6 came out and fixed alot of the wrongs it had.. and has promised a more regular cadence to correct even more of the older glaring issues.. |
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Test both systems and see which one works best for your use case. |
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😉 |
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Does anyone know who owns !3368dbc4? I suspect Geelong/Leopold based from traceroutes. The node is currently sending out environmental data every 30 seconds, which equates to 18% airtime. Hopefully this is an accidental configuration, and not an inconsiderate choice. |
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I'm in werribee and don't have that particular node in my lists. There are a ton of weather nodes around piggybacking on our mesh though. |
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