Add Scaling Customization For DA/Difficulty Adjust

[PasswordOnOsu]

An example of what I mean is mods like HR/EZ/DT that scale the values based on the given map's values. Sometimes I like to set my AR and OD to a certain/static value but I'd like my CS to change based on the given map's values. I know you can do this manually every time you play a new map, but at a certain point it just gets tedious, especially if you're a player who likes to jump from map to map a lot. Btw I did look at other discussions to see if anybody else mentioned this and I didn't find anything. So if I missed one it must've been labeled differently.

[n0Oo0Oo0b]

By "change based on the given map's values", do you mean the adjusted value should be a function of the beatmap value or that it should use the beatmap value directly? If you mean the latter, it's already supported by DA (leave the slider at its default setting).

[PasswordOnOsu]

I didn't really think that far, and some people I've asked about this said that they would be worried it adds too much clutter to the customization UI. I don't really think it's that big of a deal but I'm definitely not the average osu! player. I'm not really good with design stuff so I have no idea how to make it convenient.
I mainly just care about the functionality. How it's executed isn't really that important to me. I've heard the idea that they should allow HR/EZ to have DA. It would solve the UI problem people are worried about. I understand that you could revert the effects of HR/EZ by doing that, but it does lower your score and it's unranked so it's not like you gain anything out of it for both cases.

[n0Oo0Oo0b]

I think a reasonable alternative if you only care about HR/EZ scaling is to have a dropdown in DA settings for the base difficulty values (i.e. choose between default/HR/EZ).

My reasoning behind it is that if you make HR/EZ compatible with DA, one thing you need to consider is: "should EZ/HR+DA be treated differently to DA?". My answer to that would be no since as you mentioned, you can manually adjust values to the same effect yourself. But that also means DA should nullify the mod multiplier from HR/EZ, so it feels like they're just being used to create 3 different 'modes' of DA, hence the dropdown.

[PasswordOnOsu]

I thought about it in a similar way to how you can use DA with DT. That also scales accordingly to the map's values. So I assumed however it's handled there would be handled similarly with HR and EZ.

[n0Oo0Oo0b]

DT+DA is compatible because DT doesn't actually change the beatmap's OD/AR values; instead the 1.5x speed increase creates an effective increase in OD/AR which is displayed in-game. HR/EZ/DA on the other hand directly modify the difficulty values, which makes them incompatible with each other.

[PasswordOnOsu]

right but it is still something that is scaling the map's values and is allowed to be reverted back to it's original values using DA. whether it's an effective increase or not doesn't really matter in context to what we're talking about

[PasswordOnOsu]

that sounds good to me :)

[frenzibyte]

Posting on behalf of a friend. This feature is mainly to be able to configure some difficulty attributes while applying EZ/HR scaling on some as well. In that case, a separate mod wouldn't work well as we cannot allow both the proposed "Difficulty Scale" mod and DA mod to be selected together, even if they don't touch the same attribute.

If this is to be added, it would be best to have it as part of DA itself to support the user's needs. The UI would simply consist of a toggle next to each slider, toggling the attribute between "overriding" and "scaling" mode.

[PasswordOnOsu]

i like that idea :)